Prometheus
by deerinthexenonarclights
The great writers, they all say it’s man, but in my experience expectations are the most dangerous game. Prometheus is a victim of expectation more than any other, not only did is suffer the horrors of hype but it also made the mistake of initially listing itself as a prequel to Alien and even though they latter changed their mind – but why did they change their mind? – and made out that the connection was all made up in rumor, the damage was too deeply done. Everyone that walked in to the theatre to see the film this week did so expecting one thing -which is not to say wanting or needing, but the three are inherently connected – aliens. And SPOILER they won’t get them. On top of that everyone would have entered the theatre expecting to see a good movie – one as good as Alien, an all-time classic – and SUMMARY they won’t get that either. Though that doesn’t mean that the film is not worth seeing, in fact I would heartily recommend seeing it at least twice. Expectations you see, are so often incorrect.
So if this isn’t Alien again then what is it? Telling you that it is a unique organism all of it’s own may be the most correct answer, but it’s not very helpful so here a some similarly reductive but at least accurate comparisons. Prometheus is Scott’s attempt to return the favourite and create a sequel to one of James Cameron’s films, it’s The Abysss… Or maybe just The Abyss 2; heavy philosophy in an action sci-fi form, the exact inverse of Alien. Another way to think about it is as a re-make of The Tree of Life just with a different kind of dinosaur; hell, it even has a prologue of stunningly shot scenescapes and asks much the same basic questions at its core, just with more space and less minotaur.
Like both of those movies Prometheus is technically a mess: it doesn’t work well as an adventure, as a haunted house, as an exercise of world building, a character study or an actual story because it is trying too hard to be all of these at once and a thesis on top of that. Of the fifty-seven plots prodded into the script there are many that would make for fun movies, for two hours of emotional reactions that you can leave at the door but none of them are done any kind of justice here, he’ll even the basic story beats are mostly mangled; the few genuinely exciting scenes that we do get like the storm are contrived beyond belief. But I guess the whole film is constructed with this kind of obviousness; it’s a clear creation and one made with messy hands, the worst of both worlds but there is still a purpose to it’s shape, no matter how sloppy it may seem.
The people of Prometheus – and it is people that have the focus, mankind that plays both the role of hunter and hunted here – came to this planet with some powerful expectations: they expected answers ( as, perhaps, we did when we walked in to the theatre) about their very existence, answers about the universe, answers that go beyond “42” and so it Is only fitting that they would leave as disappointed as many audience members did their screenings. Those are expectations that simply cannot be met as that is knowledge that cannot simply be spoken. Though the film doesn’t then answer them for us either it does still give some sort of guide to these issues, a philosophical What to Expect When You’re Expecting that gives you what answers it can by asking some specific questions. ( Thematic Spoilers to follow)
Alien ( I know, still bringing it up) has a surprisingly potent metaphor weaves throughout it; Motherhood is in the picture so much more than you realize, but you don’t realize because it’s kept in the background. Prometheus however foregrounds its message in most of its scenes; it’s about life, both the making and the meaning of it. The film opens with a big bang in miniature – the spreading of the first seeds and the splitting of the first cells; the introduction of life to what we see is a lifeless world – and then we jump ahead, after some exposition, to the second births of the films cast as they emerge from stasis sticky and screaming. The film progresses and we slowly find out where they are, what kind of place it is an what is going to happen there and these are where the film falters because its real focus is on who they are, the answer to which is in every case a father, son, daughter or mother; it is their relatives that render them whole.
Again as in Alien this theme of procreation is made evident through the ship designs: there we got Fallopian hatches that opened onto egg chambers, a mechanical umbilical and an AI called Mother whereas here the symbolism is a little more subtle. The ship they find is an incomplete circle, it has both a beginning and an end, it is not infinite. These Engineers, they created us and in turn we created robots and they then created the infamous aliens. This then is the true circle of life; it’s not a cycle, it’s just so big that it looks that way from where we stand within it. While this mightn’t seem applicable to our own experiences this kind of creation is actually the same as our own, though what most of us do through sex is simply shown here in extreme fast forward thanks to that evolutionary catalyst in the cans. Is it literally stating that we will eventually evolve into squids? No, just that each successive generation is different, that we’re not simply maintaining life but moving it forward, always handing the crown over to a hopefully mo competent king.
That at least is what i took from it, though because of the way that the script is structured, or not structured as it were, a lot of it is interpretation. Though some are seemingly not meant to be answered; for there are as many answers locked away for future films as there are hidden in this one for those who pay attention, films that I for one have very high expectations for. Is this an inconsistency? Well i’ll answer that by saying this, Nietzsche really wasn’t all that good a writer. When he did try and tell stories they rarely had very cohesive plots or compelling characters, yet it is still Zathsura that we think of during the opening shot of Prometheus when we see a planet sitting in the eclipse of its own shadow. Sometimes life is messy, sometimes questions can be answers and sometimes ideas are enough; for me, this is one of those times.
Nice writeup, saw it earlier this week and loved it. I didn’t go in with expectations as I didn’t see trailers.
You must have been the only person not to. Seems like it helped though.
I try to do so for almost every movie…it’s sometimes pretty hard trying dodge all the information available online, but still manage to do it most of the time.
It’s a good attitude to have an dapproach to take if you can, sometimes though I find it impossible to ignore certain facts; like that Bane is in the new Batman, that Channing Tatum dies in the new G.I. Joe and that Prometheus is an Alien prequel.
I do find myself more inclined to be forgiving of a film though when I go into it knowing nothing and having no expectations, so I might try to be more like you in future.
This movie had ambition. It had a lot of ideas. I respected that. Unfortunately almost none of it’s many interesting ideas was executed properly. For me, there’s not much point being daring and bold if you can’t back it up by doing it properly.
I admire that this movie dared to be about The Big Questions, I just hate that it failed to do anything remotely coherent or satisfying with them. The movie was a goddamn mess. It was a failure on so many more levels than just not answering questions too. The script was very muddled in terms of character development, plot logic, structure, pacing, just about everything.
However, the movie has AMAZING visuals, some great actors in it, and it does hint at some amazing concepts/ ideas/ questions that most movies wouldn’t even dare to touch. The problem is that after mentioning these ideas, the movie has no idea where to go from there.
Instead of trying 1000 respectable things and doing none of them right, I wish the movie had focused in on a couple of things and done them well.
Bottom line- It was entertaining. It was daring. But for me it is right up on the brink of still being a bad movie.
This movie reminded me more of Sucker Punch than anything else. That was another absolute mess of a film that had amazing visuals and which paid superficial reference to some big ideas as well. In both cases they seemed to start filming without a finished screenplay.
Woah, woah, woah… Hold on a second here, Sucker Punch? Admittedly they are both big concept movies made messy by virtue of attempting to do too much, but those traits need to be seen on a sliding scale; there are different degree’s of mess and as for SP having ‘big ideas’? I must have missed them entire.
Prometheus is flawed but not a complete failure like that film was. I think the best way to convince you is to direct you to his twitter page, read some of the stuff people are saying to him and see if that doesn’t swing you back into the pro side of the fence.
I thought Prometheus wasn’t far off being a complete failure. Sure, it had great visuals and a great performance or two. But I think even the mixed reviews are being a bit generous towards how truly, truly horrible the screenplay is. And I’m talking about SO much more than just unanswered questions here.
I don’t think this film has let people down due to the weight of expectations, I think it has let them down due to the fact that it’s really quite bad. And the more I think about it, the worse it gets.
Sunshine was also divisive, but I rewatched that today and I think it is miles beyond Prometheus.
PS. On an unrelated note- I also watched The Yellow Sea (finally going off your recommendation from months and months ago) and I loved that. Also loved Veronica Mars Season 1 (despite figuring out the answer to the mystery in advance).
I had a very similar response to you Vig. I instantly compared it to the likes of The Abyss, this film goes for that somewhat extinct type of crowdpleasing movie magic that seems uncool in the post-9/11 era.
And like me, you were able to overlook some of the issues with the film and see it overall as a thumbs up, whereas Filthy cant look past it. Comparing it to Sucker Punch is unkind, as I felt NOTHING during the centrepiece dream sequences of that film. Prometheus atleast had a drive to it.
For me, I felt that the film started to lose it when Holloway was SPOILER burned (a terrible character by the way) and from there the 2nd half was muddled, disturbing situations went undiscussed, and characters were cheaply killed and/or poorly sketched. Basically, the plot seemed to cave in a little, which is a shame because up until that point it was absolute A-grade.
Fassbender, and to a lesser extent Rapace and Elba, were outstanding I thought. Theron was okay, but I felt Vickers was ultimately a wasted character.
Fassbender to me is the new DeNiro, and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching his career take shape. I LOVED David, and found him hilarious, especially when taking on the guise of Lawrence of Arabia.
Shaw really affected me. The themes of creation and motherhood in this film were hokey, but deeply affected me, and it is why that caesarian scene is so chillingly effective. Shaw reminded me of myself at times, as I also cant have a baby. I think she is a good modern take on the Ripley archetype.
Alien is my favourite film, and I also love Aliens and Alien3, but I walked in with low expectations and never attempted to compare it to the Alien series. It was actually refreshing having more of a beginnings narrative, without xenomorphs running around causing havoc (thought the plot becomes formulaic as the film goes on). I like the direction Prometheus was going, and I thought the score should have made it obvious what to expect in the opening scenes. This is nailbiting stuff at times, however it’s more adventurous and sci-fi than the Alien films, and not afraid to flaunt it’s weirdness.
Despite it’s issues, overall it’s a must-see at the cinema. Dont let the love/hate reviews scare you away. 8/10
Firstly, who are you roo? Do i know you? Either way welcome.
Actually, now I think about it, are you me? It seems that we had exactly the same response to this film. The burninging of hardly Hardy was exactly where I felt the film fell apart the first time that I saw it, however I saw it for a second time last night and have to say that so many of those plot holes, character conversions, underwhelming directions and messy structure, the flaws, found themselves fitting in much, much better. Knowing what the film wanted to be – a philosophical statement set in the Weyland-Yutaniverse and not, like Alien, a haunted house set there – and what it’s message was really helped; you pay attention to the themes and metaphorical imagery rather than the plot and there is a depth here that deserves that.
They’re also themes that should strike everyone, even if not quite to the same extent as they did you. We’re all sons, daughters, sisters or brothers; Oedipus, Electra, Lear or Medea and so even though the surface of Prometheus might not be for everyone what it says underneath is. Probably my favourite film of the year so far, which is a surprise to me.
I take back the Sucker Punch thing. After some time to settle down, I can accept that Prometheus is clearly better than Sucker Punch. Maybe Tron: Legacy would be a better comparison.
All of the amazing visuals and the hints towards great ideas in Prometheus are very nice. The fact that it then utterly fails to explore those ideas in any real depth, and instead becoming more and more formulaic, standard and nonsensical as it goes on does not fully negate that. Ultimately however I would not score it any higher than Tron: Legacy (another 5/10 film for me) in terms of screenplay or in terms of how involved I got in the narrative.
I wonder if in the years to come, this film will be remembered fondly for its amazing visuals and somewhat ambitious nature (even though I think it never follows through with that), or savagely for its truly muddled screenplay.
Is it indeed the next “The Abyss” (another messy film which has gotten a more favourable reception over the years, from myself included- and which benefited greatly from an Extended Cut like Prometheus may), or is this the next “Star Wars: Episode 1- The Phantom Menace”?
I admit I’d been hoping for the next “Inception” in terms of giving me fully-explored ideas, the proper mix of answers/questions, characters I can care about, a pretty tight plot, etc. But the good thing is that I only have to wait another month before Christopher Nolan himself might give me the next experience as awe-inspiring as that first viewing of Inception.
PS. Even though I didn’t like Prometheus, I’m still keen as all hell for the sequel. Which may actually be freakin’ awesome. Ridley just needs to get a new writer this time. But listen, Mr Lindelof, I still love you for what you did with Lost (aside from about half of Season 6). There was still WAY more hit than miss in Lost, Mr Lindelof. F*ck the detractors. Great show.
Vig, it’s Salty from the empire forums (remember, the person that loved Alien 3 😛 )
I’ve been planning to see it again, as I said I enjoyed it despite the flaws, and i’ll buy it on DVD. It does seem like the type of film that would benefit from a 2nd viewing. Also the best film i’ve seen thus far in 2012 as well, and one of the better big-budget summer films in recent years.
Filth, I actually love The Abyss, a flawed film that still shines for me. Maybe thats why im more lenient with Prometheus. Tron: Legacy is not on the same level as Prometheus, and PotM was a proper prequel (but we tend to forget some of the stunning sequences in that otherwise boring film) But it’s all subjective, one of the most wondrous things about cinema. Prometheus is a good example of this.
I thought it was you – I mean how many people could there be that have poor enough taste to enjoy A3?- but wanted to be sure.
I’d be interested to know if you saw The Abyss in the cinema, or at least in the original version first. Since I came to it so late it’s almost impossible for me to imagine how that film would have played sans such crucial scenes and I wonder if we won’t see people saying the same soon about Prometheus after Scott scraps this theatrical cut in favour of a ‘Final’ or ‘Directors’ version. As much as I loved what the film did give us I do think some changes in the way it is given is vital; Scott and Lindelof have a masterpiece in their minds, they just need to express it a little more clearly to us outside their lengthy discussions.
At the very least Prometheus has been a potent starter of discussions; I caught up with a group of non-film fans last night and had a long back and forth about it the likes of which I usually avoid for fear of boring them. It was mostly negative on their behalf but they were still talking and thinking about things that they usually wouldn’t and that’s something I think. And of course it brought you out of hiding here, which is even better again.
I was only a baby when The Abyss came out, but I did see the theatrical cut first on VHS in the late 90’s, and I thought the film was just okay. There were some good things about it, which made me revisit it later on DVD, and after seeing the longer cut it really grew on me. The long cut would be among my 50 favourite films actually. There are some vital scenes that were left out of the theatrical cut, the film was meant to be epic. And it has the feel of finding hope and happiness after the frustration of divorce (Jim’s divorces almost outnumber his films)
I had a similar discussion at work the other day with non-cinephiles. They enjoyed talking about Prometheus for atleast 30 minutes, but most of them had negative things to say about it, and saw it as another failed entry in the series post-Aliens. Usually I try to shut up about films, as my friends accuse me of just making films up 😀
Regarding a longer and improved cut, here’s hoping. I have heard of some scenes that did not end up in the film (ie. young Weyland scenes, prob just so they could drop us straight into the story in cinemas) Ridley ofcourse has produced some fantastic director’s cuts, both with minimal additions yet vital changes/removals(Bladerunner) and massive additions (Kingdom of Heaven). However I will keep low expectations. Some more character interactions and discussions in the 2nd half might help the movie.
Regarding goofs in the film, for me the funniest and most overlooked was how after the ship had crashed mid-air, then rolled along the ground like a wheel, David’s head appeared to be in the same position in the piloting room, unaffected by the carnage. Not a criticism of the film, it’s irrelevant, but I just found it funny.
I like The Abyss a lot too. I may have given the wrong impression about that earlier.
I suspect the flaws of Prometheus run too deep (at least for me) for a Director’s Cut to fix them, but I’ll happily check it out to see if I get proven wrong. I do agree with you guys that the film does deserve some kudos for being a great discussion-starter, despite the fact that I think it’s a very not-great film.
And WHOA WHOA WHOA. Favourite film so far this year, guys?! One of the better big-budget summer films of recent years, Salty?!
Vig, are you really telling me you liked this better than The Grey, The Cabin in the Woods, The Avengers and The Raid?
I gotta leave this thread and never look back. My immense dissapointment with the film is going to make me start being a real douchebag about it, on the off chance that I haven’t already started.
I’m glad you guys enjoyed it. Really, I am. but yeah, I’ve gotta head off now before The Hulk really comes out 😛
Cabin is the only one that stands close to my kind, though I am a sucker for symbolic sci-fi, what can I say? Now you mention it though, I don’t know that I can think of a film from last year better than it, or the one before. You know what? I’m ready to call it, Prometheus is both the best film ever made and my personal favourite.
Filth? Filth? Why are you grabbing those purple shorts from off the clothes line? Wait.. Whoah.. Noooo-
THE HULK IS OUT. AND HE’S COME BACK. Please excuse anything said after this. It’s not me. It’s “The Other Guy”.
Best of the year so far? But this movie had like… the worst screenplay I’ve ever seen in a movie from someone who I would call a “master director”! And what I’m talking about has nothing to do with questions being unanswered. It has to do with terrible characters, a third act on par with a Friday the 13th climax, plot holes, some poor character motivations, poorly thought-out structure, half-baked religious parallels, the monsters looking laughable, etc, etc, etc. Prometheus may not have quite been Sucker Punch, but it was a lot closer to that than to Inception in terms of execution, which really suprised me and let me down so severely (as a fan of meaningful sci-fi myself) that I can’t help but keep throwing these obscene tantrums about it.
(Tries to force the Hulk back in and be more respectful)- I’m really suprised that a second viewing seemed to make all of that so much easier to digest for you. I’m half-tempted to re-watch it myself to see if the same miracle occurs to me… but I’d rather just go see Brave again instead. By the way, I’m allowing you guys free reign to give me absolute hell for loving Brave. Definitely feel free to take revenge for my assault on your Prometheus opinions (which have been, let’s face it, obscene). Once you’ve seen Brave and surely had the opposite reaction to me about it, don’t hold back 😛
By the way, allow me to rejog your memory, Sir:
Some 2011 titles that at least seemed to have a finished screenplay:
Rango, Thor, X-Men: First Class, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2, Attack the Block, Contagion, The Muppets, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol, War Horse
Now for some 2010 examples:
How to Train your Dragon, Kick-Ass, Splice, Toy Story 3, Inception, Scott Pilgrim VS The World, Let Me In, Tangled, Deathly Hallows: Part 1
You guys should find this quite a good read-
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/critical-mass-prometheus/
I saw it again on Tuesday (cheap 3D) and found the flaws a little easier to dismiss. Infact, the first 45mins is 10/10 perfection imo, and the opening is incredibly beautiful(although the following cave scene is mediocre). Holloway is more likeable the second time around, and being an authority figure of sorts it isnt unlike the alien series in killing him off rather quickly. Fifield looking back before going in the structure is more powerful in hindsight, quick little character shots that have more emotional power the 2nd time around.
Charlize Theron is also more mesmerizing this time around, especially in her night scene with Janek. A little off-topic, for a second I imagined her playing the older sister in a poisonous sibling rivalry with Abbie Cornish. That would be electric, someone has to make that film 😀
One problem I felt was the cheap deaths of the 2 Weyland characters. Especially Vickers. Infact, it would have made more sense for Vickers to birth the alien, not the space jockey. A Weyland birthing possibly the first (modern) alien is just poetic. Not to mention that Vickers presence in the film was very feline and robotic at once, as well as being a tightly-wound loner with parent issues, not unlike the alien. She should have jettisoned inside the lifeboat, and Shaw should have found her being facesucked later on. The Space Jockey and David maybe should just have perished in the crash(did you see the ship crash and roll around? 😀 ). Lost opportunity imo. Visually, the reason behind using the Space Jockey in that scene may have been because the dude was strong and struggled manfully against the squid beast, whereas a human character probably wouldnt last 5 seconds, making the gross-out scene less effective.
Kate Dickie’s character was also underused I felt, she had screentime but barely any lines. She was also visibly scared of the space jockey, so her death at his hands should have been a little more disturbing I feel.
So, whilst two of the three female characters were underused, I felt it was an excellent trio, and very Ridley.
I love the overall film, I’ll be buying it on DVD. Regarding the ending, I thought the voiceover with the ship seen shooting off in the horizon was a rousing ending. Maybe the alien birth scene should have been shown as a penultimate scene, instead of watching Shaw heaving David out of the ship?
By the way, has anyone noticed how David’s head was used (inadvertently) to kill Weyland. It’s a great touch, and David conceivably could have asked for that to happen himself.
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